Notes from October 29, 2009 Meeting


Represented in attendance:


7 – Parent, Family member or Self advocate

1 – Agency

1 – Public School

2 – Oklahoma State Department of Education

Agency/Organizations represented: Center for Learning & Leadership/UCEDD, Oklahoma Infant Transition Program, OASIS, Apex, Duncan/Comanche School District, and Noble School District

Status of the Waiting List – Jim Nicholson

As of 10/19/09 there are 5150 on the Waiting List

Waiting Time:

964 < 1 year

1020 – 1 to 2 years

1073 – 2 to 3 years

2093 > 3 years

April 26, 2004 is the date of the application that is up when funding becomes available.

A Few Words From the Director – Howard Hendrick

Director Hendrick discussed the funding shortfall that is affecting the state, thus affecting OKDHS.  He said as of this time, they have not cut any direct support to individuals receiving Waivered services and there are no plans to make this kind of cut. He did say they have had to make some adjustments to other programs serving individuals with developmental disabilities, though. He was asked if he felt the Family Support Subsidy Payment would be the affected the state’s current budget difficulties, and he said, not at this time.  He said that by the next meeting, he should have a better idea of affect the current state revenue has on OKDHS’ programs.

High School Graduation for Students with Developmental Disabilities – Amy Daugherty and Anita Eccard, State Department of Education, Special Education Services

Ms. Daugherty began by explaining that there is no state policy to graduate students at any specific time. She added that schools are monitored in their graduation performance but not specific to those on IEP’s. She said that if a school falls below the state “drop out” rate, which would include students on IEP’s who graduation date is pushed back for need, then that school is given a notice of needed improvement. She referred to this as “graduating in a timely manner”.  She said all districts are monitored by a data profile for graduation and this is where the information is collected regarding students graduating in a timely manner.  There is no difference in this data for those on IEP’s and those in traditional class settings.

Ms. Daugherty continued by saying that the state requires all students to pass a test to graduate and those students with the most severe disabilities will need to pass the portfolio assessment before graduation.  She said if these students do not pass this portfolio assessment they can not graduate and they will need to do this assessment until passage which will allow them to graduate.

Both Ms. Daugherty and Ms. Eccard encouraged families to utilize the IEP team to the fullest.  They both mentioned the need for the team to decide at what rate the student would be able to meet each class requirement. The example given was that some students learn at a slower rate, thus they may require more time to achieve their full year credit, meaning they progress about half of what is typical for students. Again, they encouraged families to invite all who know the student and their abilities and strengths to be members on the IEP team.

Also, mentioned from the representatives of the State Dept. of Education was that our state has moved the requirement for IEP transition from 14 years old back to 16 years old. There was some discussion of this change due to the fact some parents didn’t know there had been a change of this magnitude.

Ms. Daugherty did say that nowhere in IDEA does it say that a student must go to school until they are 21 years old. This decision is left up to the IEP team.

Lastly, a parent asked if Oklahoma has different types of diplomas for students in Special Education and those in traditional education classes.  Ms. Daugherty said, no not at this time.  All students graduating from an Oklahoma Public School will receive the same diploma as the next.

Schedule Next Meeting

January 28, 2010 at 2:00

It was mentioned that there could be a possibility to have a teleconference for the next meeting, but arrangements have not been completed as of yet.


Notes from July 23, 2009 Waiting List Meeting


2.      Introductions

Represented in attendance:


1 – House of Representatives

19 – Parent, Family member or Self advocate

2 – Agency & Direct Care Staff

(9 – First time attendees)

Attendees were from:

Norman, Noble, Edmond, McLoud, Oklahoma City, Anadarko, Yukon, N of OKC

Agency/Organizations represented in attendance: Oklahoma Infant Transition Program, OASIS, Oklahoma Family Network, APEX, Inc, Big Five Community Services, Oklahoma Family Support 360’ Program, Oklahoma SoonerSUCCESS

3.      Status of the Waiting List – Jim Nicholson

As of 7/16/2009

4,905 Waiting for services

When fund become available they will start working applications dated April 24, 2004.

That’s Greater than a 5 year wait for services!

288 added during most recent quarter

8 began receiving The In-Home Supports Waiver

24 began receiving Community Waiver

15 applications closed (not added to the waiver)

Waiting Time Reported:

>3 years – = 1,857 38%

2 – 3 years – 992 = 20%

1 – 2 years – 1,083 = 22%

<1 year – 973 = 20%

4. Director Hendrick spoke in detail about the budget and how some of the stimulus money is being use to offset the poor state review.  He also reported that the Office of State Finance just recently released a report saying that the state review collection is even lower than anticipated, which in turn will affect the state budget even worse.  He reported that OKDHS has approved more than 400,000 people for the Food Assistance Program (food stamps).  This is an all time high, but it is also evidence of our state’s economy.  He explained if at any point programs have to be cut or reduced or affected by the economic crisis, the first programs most likely to be reduced will be the programs that received little to no federal match, meaning the programs that are “state funded” only.  One of the “state funded” only programs mentioned that would be a huge loss for our state and the citizens if this happened is the Advantage Program, the program supporting elderly citizens to help them continue to live in their own home and not be required to move to a nursing home.  He said that programs like the Food Assistance Program, child daycare assistance, and even DDSD programs have high federal match, so it would really hurt our state if these programs were cut.

He did explain to the group how his agency, OKDHS, has gone about reducing their over head in order to not have to cut programs or staff.  He said they have inacted a hiring freeze, they have just about reduced all travel, they have charged each of the State Resource Centers, Northern Oklahoma Resources Center in Enid, and Southern Oklahoma Resource Center in Pauls Valley, to eliminate overtime to staff, which seems to be a huge cost to each of those institutions.  He reported that these two centers are one of the highest cost to the DDSD program.  One parent asked if it would be possible to combine these two institutions, to help combine some cost, but continue to offer this support for those families who have already chose to place their family member there?  He said that they, OKDHS, is looking at all possibilities to reduce the cost for these centers.

Director Hendrick and Jim Nicholson both talked about some of the benefits DDSD continues to support.  Some of the programs that supports families directory which hold contracts with DDSD is the Oklahoma Autism Network, Oklahoma Family Network, Oklahoma Family Support 360’ program, and many others.  They both made sure to mention that there has been no reduction rate paid per hour for direct care staff, or they have not had to change eligibility in programs, either.

5. Self Directed Services for the In-Home Supports Waiver.  Jim Nicholson explained that the SDS policy had passed the Policy Advisory Committee for DDSD.  He said the it has to pass two different committees or boards for the Health Care Authority then it will be available.  He also said they have prepared a “Request for Proposal” (bid request) looking for a financial manager.  It is thought to take about two months to get that part completely finished.  He concluded by saying, he’s best guess that the self-directive services part of the IHSW would not be available until as late as January 2010.

6. Family questions & comments:

One family brought up an issue that seems to be growing in our state.  This family talked about two young adult children, one living in Poteau and one living in Muskogee area, that are both on the Waiting List for services.  Neither of these families knew about DDSD programs until after their child graduated from high school.  That is when the families made application and was place on the waiting list. Both of these individuals have significant disabilities and can not be left alone. One parent is a single parent who is also caring for an elder parent, as well.  The other one is a much older parent trying to support their adult child with no outside support.  Each of these are situations that should have been noticed prior to them leaving high school, but were missed.  Mr. Nicholson said that he is requesting for a link on the front page of OKDS website, that would be for anyone who just receives a “disability” diagnosis.  This could give them step by step instructions to what is available and how to obtain applications.  This was thought to be a good idea.

Another family brought up yet another “trend” in our state with high school graduation.  Students with severe disabilities are “graduating” as if they were in traditional classes. Meaning they are graduation at the age of 18 instead of how it was traditionally done, graduating at 21.  There was some discussion about this with several of the families, the director and actually the representative who attended.  It was explained that schools are saying because of the “No Child Left Behind” policy that schools could receive a lower rating if they “hold” too many students back.  So these students are receiving their course credits, 4 years English, 3 years Math, 3 years, History, etc thus they meet the requirements for graduation so they must graduate.  They did discuss the “transition” part of the IEP’s but many of the parents said these still do not help because the students who are being kicked out of high school, without any place to go.  The director asked about the “exit” testing for each of these students, and it was explained that students with severe disabilities, who are not “testable” can opt out of testing and in place a portfolio be produced to see the “modifications” for this student.  An example of a portfolio was given, the child is non-verbal with limited communication skills, additionally blind, and high medical complications. The portfolio showing “History” showed pictures of the family where the teacher or assistant drew lines to each picture that is glued on the page and explained it’s a Family Heritage Tree.  The portfolio would also show the student holding scissors, but the student would rarely use scissors at any othe time.  There was continued discussion about how this increasing process, graduation students at 18 instead of 21, will continue to cause a drain on the system.  It has been requested that this matter be looked into more thoroughly.  Director Hendrick also requested that someone from the State Department of Education, Special Education Division, be invited to the next meeting to help us better understand this situation.

7. Next meeting is scheduled for October 29, 2009 at 2:00, same location.

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Notes from January 14, 2009 Waiting List Meeting



            Represented in attendance:


2 – OHCA (Oklahoma Health Care Authority)

1 – House of Representatives

12 – Parent, Family member or Self advocate

2 – Agency & Student


(6 – First time attendees)


Agency/Organizations represented in attendance: Oklahoma Infant Transition Program, OASIS, Oklahoma Family Network, Systems of Care, Oklahoma LEND, APEX, Inc and Muscogee (Creek) Nation


     Status of the Waiting List – Jim Nicholson

As of the end of Fiscal Year 2009 first quarter

            4,243 Waiting for services

            297 added during the first quarter

            27 began receiving The In-Home Supports Waiver

            44 began receiving Community Waiver

            43 applications closed (not added to the waiver)


            Waiting Time Reported:

>3 years – 1,148 = 27.05%

2 – 3 years – 946 = 22.3%

1 – 2 years – 1,077 = 25.38%

<1 year – 1,072 = 25.27%


It was reported that funding was virtually stopped 12 – 18 months ago for individuals on the waiting list.  There was a one time fund available at the end of last year’s legislative term.  That allowed about 80 individuals to come off the waiting list.  There didn’t seem to be much hope for funding to support those waiting on the list.  The expected funding shortfall for all state agencies seems to have caused the lack of hope. 


One person brought up the need for the Self Directive Services (SDS) option to the Waiver programs to move forward.  Mr. Nicholson gave a brief update on the Self Directive Services.  He said the Oklahoma Health Care Authority (OHCA) and DDSD had a conference call with CMS (Centers for Medicare and Medicaid) and they feel like they have ironed out all the concerns CMS has regarding SDS. OHCA has send the needed information back to CMS and are awaiting the decision.  It was also explained that the idea behind SDS is to allow families or individuals to eliminate the agency if they desire.  This would allow for an increase pay to the direct care staff, and could potentially increase the amount of support a budget would be able to provide.  It was also discussed by a family member that when this is finally moved to those on the Community Waiver that it could be a cost savings to the state and not decrease the support already provided to the individual.  One family said they already do the job search and virtually the hiring and firing of the direct care staff, and self direction would allow for an increase in hour wages for the staff. 


      Update on TEFRA – Sue Robertson or Debbie Harmon (Oklahoma Health Care Authority)

TEFRA (Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act) is an option for families who’s income is too high to qualify for the state Medicaid (SoonerCare) program.  TEFRA does not look at the families income but only the child’s.  There is a level of care requirement along with cost qualification.  It was reported by Ms. Harmon, that if the cost for the child to stay at home exceeds the cost for the level of care at the respective institution, the child may not qualify under that criteria.  Ms. Harmon reported that 267 children are now receiving SoonerCare under the TEFRA program.  OHCA added 98 children in the past year.  For more information follow this link:

It was requested to DHS/DDSD to send out notices to all person’s on the waiting list under the age of 18 information regarding TEFRA and information about where to apply.


     Family Questions & Comments

Some discussion from families:  there was some conversation regarding the Family Support Assistance Payment (FSAP) program, which offers to families a check for about $250.00 a month who has a child under 18 with a developmental disability and who are not receiving DDSD Waiver supports.  Additionally, there is a Respite Voucher Program which offers respite vouchers to families who are not receiving FSAP or the waiver program vouchers in the amount of $400.00 every quarter.  The income limit for families on the FSAP is $45,000 a year and the limit for the Respite Voucher program is $60,000.  This seems to exclude a number of families who are working middle class.  It was discussed that the income limits might need to be recalculated to better match today’s income levels.  It was also proposed that the families possibly be given some of both and not limit it to one.

Family Support Assistance Program:

Respite Vouch Program:


There was also some discussion regarding the waiting list and the process of adding individuals to the waivers.  One family proposed consideration for a “tier” system in regards to needs.  The example was given if an individual high on the list only needs limited supports, but someone way down on the list is in high need of support, there might need to be a better system of determining needs. 


There was some discussion around the possibility of looking at income and the ability to pay for some supports or even possibly a co-pay system for those with higher income.  The example was given, since the Waiver Programs only considers the individuals income and the income of the family, a family could potentially have an income of a million dollars and the individual receive the same services as a person whose family income is in the poverty level.  Additionally, it was mentioned that considering families income to determine addition to the Waiver Programs might be considered.  If a family can pay for and is currently paying for a service, then this might need to be considered. 

(editor’s note: While I feel we are approaching a potential financial crisis in our state, looking at ways to improve supports for individuals with disabilities is a priority, we need to consider all aspects before our state jumps on a change without looking at all consequences.  I respect the fact we must improve our system, I want to make sure we don’t jump without complete family involvement and input.)


One family brought up the issue of the absence of day care for those individuals between the age of 12 and 21.  For families who continue to work and support their child with a disability finding qualified people care for their child during working hours is nearly impossible.  One family spoke about that on most given days her son is moved from one home to another program, to another home to “patch work” care in order for her to continue to work.  There was some discussion on the idea that possibly schools could receive DHS child care supplement to support an after school program for this population of students.


     Schedule Next Meeting  Notice change in meeting room

April 29, 2009


1:00 PM

Sequoyah Memorial Office Building

4th Floor South Conference Room



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